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Freehold Purchase by lessee

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I currently own a freehold ground rent, I do not live there but the house is converted into two flats.

One of the lessee's has approached me and asked if I could say a price for a lease extension and if I was willing to sell the freehold. It was my intention to hold the freehold and eventually buy both the lessees out but as one of them want to purchase the freehold I'm considering selling it.

My question really is how to value the freehold as he does not want to purchase it with the other lessee but on his own so no leasehold enfranchisement. I know its normally 14-17 YP if buying not as a tenant, but as the ground rent is only £75 per flat and rising with only 72 years left is there any valuation method? Or shall I just name a price and see from there?

I've already worked out the cost of a lease extension using sgclacy's amazing calculation method! thanks btw!!

Thanks for the help!

Landlord Freeholder askingfor ground rent and buildings insurance after 7 years

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Hi
Building is 3 storey building with shop on ground floor, first floor 1 bed flat and 2-3 floor 3 bed flat. I own the 3 bed flat on the 2-3 floor.
The freeholder to our building has contacted me after 7 years during which he never asked for any ground rent or buildings insurance. Now out of the blue he has sent me a notice of a summary of charges outstanding for the ground rent and buildings insurance he states has accumulated over the past 7 years. He has offered no receipts to provide proof of the cost of buildings insurance taken out or the means by which he reached the calculation of the ground rent amount. The total amount comes to over £7K. Is he allowed to out of the blue after 7 years of no contact whatsoever and demand this payment or should he have done this annually as one would expect. What is my position legally? I am currently obtaining a copy of the lease which I will examine in detail also before making my response to him. Any advice on this matter would be appreciated.

Freehold management

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I have recently acquired the freehold interest in the building in which I am also leaseholder. There are 2 other leaseholders also, but neither has an interest in the freehold. We currently have a freehold management company managing the freehold, but are considering terminating this agreement and managing it ourselves. In preparation for this, are there any books I can read to guide me through the responsibilities/requirements of a freeholder? For the service charge accounts, is there a requirement for the funds to be held in a stakeholder's account or can I open a separate account in my name to hold these funds?

The freehold is not owned by a company, is there still a requirement to provide annual statements of account? I cannot see this as a requirement in the leases, but it may be a requirement according to Statutory instruments?

Any source of advice/guidance on this transition would be gratefully received.

Property Management company go slow

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Our property is managed by a company who also own the lease. Our property has now developed a serious damp issue and we are at risk of our tenants giving notice. it is not a usual condensation in basement flat issue as we own other basement flats and are well aware of how to minimise this and ask our tenants to follow the usual rules. However in this property this has suddenly appeared and damp is penetrating somewhere and at an alarming rate. We have notified the managing company who so far have sent round an odd job man that they use who frankly was way out of his depth. it has now been 4 weeks since we notified them and so far the response has been very good from the girl on the phone but Mr ???? has to give permission for any surveyor to attend or whatever else he should do and so far has not.if we lose these tenants our property will probably be unrentable. How and can we make this man sort this problem for which he is liable?? They are not members of ARMA or anything else unsurprisingly!!

County court finds that Section 47 LTA does not apply to leaseholds?

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I'm a leaseholder in England. I defended a service charge bill based on the fact that the payment demand did not have a landlord's address. The court found that it doesn't apply to my leasehold since "tenancy" rather than lease in specifically mentioned in sub-section 4.

It seems contrary to all the advice to L's on the internet. Is that advice wrong or did the Court miss something?

Lease extension - calculator query

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I am in the early stages of buying a leasehold flat for £327,500. The lease has 79.5 years remaining and we have agreed that the vendor will serve a s42 notice and assign the benefit to me.

I am trying to assess how much I should budget for the premium payable for the lease extension. The ground rent is £100 for the first 33 years, £200 for the next 33 years and £400 for the final 33 years.

I have used sgclacy's threads (eg http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/forums...ad.php?t=11083) to estimate the premium payable and these are around the £10,500 mark, assuming that the flat is worth £370,000 following the lease extension and my calculations are correct - the £370,000 figure is my guess as to what it may be worth, based on other properties in the area.

However, when using other online calculators (such as http://www.tenancy-agreements.co.uk/lease.php) the premium is much higher.

I appreciate that the negotiation of a premium price is clearly dependent on the parties involved, but it would be useful to understand whether, if people have used sgclacy's formula in practice, this has been an accurate assessment of the premium payable or whether it is more likely a starting point for tenants for inclusion in the s42 notice?

I am planning to use a surveyor to assess the amount of premium to include in the notice, but, anticipating that the conveyance will be lengthy, would like to know how much to set aside for the premium for the time being (excluding all solicitor and surveyor costs).

Many thanks
PH

Right to assign vesting order by vendor to buyer-LRHUD Act 1993

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I am in the process of acquiring a leasehold interset of a flat. The freeholder is missing and so I want the vendor to apply to the Court and make a Vesting Order, for which I shall pay.

Very simply, can the vendor assign the benefit of this Order to me as he/she is able to to do with a section 42 Notice under the Act?

Anyone with first hand experience or someone how knows of a case law may be able to assist.

Insolvent management company

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Our management company appears to be insolvent due to payments having been made which cannot be recovered under lease - expenditure not being 100% recoverable - expenditure being disallowed by LVT.
What can we do? Can we form a new company to take over the rights and obligations of the lease? Can we take action against the manager who paid the expenditure and the directors who authorised the expenditure?

Excessive and unlawful administration charges

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If the lease does not specifically allow the freeholder to charge interest, is he allowed to charge interest? Does he have to supply a notice showing the rights of leaseholders? Can a leaseholder challenge the charge? If so, how?

is replacement roof really necessary?

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Hi.

I am a lessee with a share of the freehold with the other lessee in a private dwelling. The arrangement is privately held between the two parties. Under the terms of the lease we are equally responsible for maintaining the communal parts of the house etc etc. The other leasee has requested that the roof be replaced as it has leaked on a number of occassions over the past 2+ years since we purchased. We have not been provided with any evidence of these leaks but some repairs have been carried out on the roof without our consent or knowledge. The leasee wants to replace the roof covering which will cost a considerable amount, which I do not have and cannot afford. Does the other leasee have to demonstrate that the roof cannot be repaired and this needs total replacement? Threats have been flying around about a section 20. What does this mean? I am more than willing to maintain the roof myself but the leasee states that in order to do so I must pay for all the material myself, get the works ratified by a surveyor, pay him if any damages occur to his flat etc etc etc. Basically they are blocking urgent repairs that need doing and are demanding a new roof. Is this reasonable??

Service charge demands

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Section 20 notice served in the correct format, builder chosen and worked split in to two parts internal and external.
Internal works quoted to @ 34k including vat. However the managing agent are saying the works have cost 44k inc vat and are demanding that sum, my share is £7,8052 of the internal works.
Thats an increase of £1666.66 on the original quote just for the internals.( My Share )
I understand that the end of year accounts have not been reconciled however can they demand the higher figure ?
The lease does allow for reasonable sums to be demanded in advance in regards service charges however this is a fixed price contract thus I feel they are taking the pi$$ by trying to demand more.

Surveyor to assess quality of work done by freeholder

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Good morning all

We have recently had some work done on a leasehold property where the freeholder is a local council. We fought long and hard over the initial proposed costs (to little avail); however, now the work is done, we are extremely sceptical as to both the quality and the quantity of the worl carried out.

To help in any potential claim, I thought it might be helpful to have some sort of surveyor to be able to guide us, along the lines of "that should have cost £10k", or pointing out deficiencies etc.

The phrase "some sort of surveyor" will give you a clue as to why I am asking the question! I have no idea what particular variety of surveyor might do this sort of stuff...quantity, chartered etc? Also any suggestions/recommendations in the north London area for a competent individual would be appreciated.

Thanks all

A

lease missing

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I am about to purchase a groundfloor maisonette, my solicitor has been requesting a copy of the upstairs lease to check that it is all in order.
land registry have not got a copy, so the seller is now suggesting some sort of insurnace policy to cover any abnormalities in the lease, should I procede or insist on a copy of the upstairs lease being located?

Service Charge Percentage Wrong

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I share the freehold with 6 others in a block of flats. In March 2011 I found out & brought to our managing agents attention that my service charge percentage was incorrect. It should be 9.5% but was being charged 11%. My percentage has only just been corrected but the directors have decided without consulting me that the overpayment would not be backdated. I am about to email the managing agents & just wanted to know what I can do, if anything, to change this.

Developer in administration - unsold flats

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Company A is the developer/freeholder and is in administration, some flats (approx. 25%) remain unsold, M is managing the property but is creating an ever increasing debt due from A. M is paying all expenditure from the client bank account which is being funded by the current leaseholders (L). M appears to be able to do this only because it is asking for a reserve fund for future expenditure and it appears to be dipping into contributions received for that fund. No leases exist and no other legal contract exists in relation to the unsold flats. M is hoping that the unsold flats will be sold, any debt will be settled at that time and new leases will be created on identical terms to the existing leases. Some of the debt owing by A is approaching 6 years old.
Questions:
1 Is it legal for M to withdraw from the bank 100% of the expenditure when it has no legal means at the present time of collecting 100% of service charge contributions? (trust law?)
2 Is it reasonable for M to hope that unsold properties will be sold? There can be no guarantee. The administrator could sell A to someone else B who may decide to just rent out the flats. Would M be able to collect anything from B if there is no legal agreement to pay anything towards the costs?
3 If M asked the LVT to determine the service charges would that be binding on unsold flats if the administrator was included in the application? Would that overcome any queries raised by purchasers if and when the flats are sold and the risk of the debt being statute barred?

lease extension confusion!

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Hello

I am interested in extending our rental flat's lease and am confused regarding the best path moving forward.

It's a little complicated so please bear with me and apologies for the length of this post...

We bought a flat in London in 1999 with 80 years remaining out of the initial 99 years lease on the property. The 99 year lease started in 1980.

At the time I asked our solicitor in writing what the costs of extending the lease would be but I did not want this question to hold up the process of Exchange as the market was a bit crazy. Looking through my letters I never received an answer from the solicitor, nor did I chase it up...

I knew that the costs of lease extension would increase over time but assumed this was a linear function and knew nothing about marriage value.

This year, at 67 years remaining on the lease, prompted by press about lots of leases dipping below the 80 year mark and marriage value; I have investigated the costs of increasing the lease and have been unpleasantly surprised at the cost :)

Out flat is currently worth about 200k and has a yearly ground rent that this year increased from £25 to £50 and will increase to £75 in 2045 I think.

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/mor...ivTotalResults says I am looking at costs of
£15,000 - £16,000 PLUS solicitor costs

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Researching the current situation I have found out the following:

Company A is a management company that collects the ground rent on behalf of the freeholder and they say:

"My client is the Freeholder and owns the ground and the outer shell of the building and when it was developed would have owned all of the flats. My client then granted a head lease to Company B for a term of 175 years of all of the flats. This in effect meant that Company B owned all of the flats but would have to give them back to the freeholder after 175 years.

Company B subsequently sold off all of the flats to individual leaseholder for a period of 99 years. This therefore means that after 99 years the flats would return to Company B and they would own them for another 76 years."

Company A initially said to me that they/the freeholder would only accept formal section 42 applications to extend the 99 year lease, as stipulated by The Leasehold Reform Housing and Urban Development Act 1993 by an additional 90 years, to the year 2169, and bring down the ground rent to 0. Their quote would also have an element of negotiated compensation for company B.

They would would not give me a ballpark figure or indications of what they have quoted other leaseholders.....

I got in contact with Company B and they told me that they can extend my lease to the year 2159 (This seems to give them a head lease of 179 years not 175......). Merely 10 years less than the freeholder.

This would cost me £15,000 plus solicitors costs capped at £500 plus VAT.

They said ground rent will not be affected and I believe this is because ground rent goes to the freeholder. I also believe I can't serve a section 42 against Company B as they are not the freeholder.

Now Company A have told me, on hearing that Company B are involved (although I've not told them the quoted costs), that they believe the freeholder would entertain a lower lease extension cost for an increase in ground rent.

This would involve the freeholder negotiating with and compensating Company B above the premium that I would pay the freeholder, and then the freeholder would recoup this loss through the greater ground rents from me.

I guess my main questions are:

1) Do I have any comeback to the solicitor or any other party from what happened at the point of purchase? If the solicitor had told me about marriage value and having to wait 2 years before I could extend my lease I would have done something about it sooner- even maybe asked the previous owner to start the section 42 process on our behalf.... I maybe crying over split milk here?

2) Are The freeholder and Company B is any sort of competing position that could benefit me in terms of cost? Or are there any other reasons why I should deal with one over the other?

My current desire is to negotiate the smallest extension premium through increased ground rent as I'm not sure how I can afford the £15.5k

Any advice and help on these questions and my relative position greatly appreciated and I hope I have my figures and dates correct.

best wishes n99

Can a Lease be changed?

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Can a long lease (999 years) conditions be changed without a note attached to the Lease. e.g, No animals to be kept on the premises.

RTM Company Banking

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Hi Guys

We have formed an RTM Company for our large apartment block and are 7 days from takeover. We had initially instructed a specialist managing agent to look after the block for us, however they have left us up the creek without a paddle, not being very helpful after initally making promises (which they have signed a contract for), so we are consiering self management and sacking them.

I'm aware of how to raise service charge demands however I need some advice on banking for an RTM Company.

I know there are some previous threads on this however I couldn't find the exact answer... do we set up a business bank account for the RTM Company and then a 2nd client account to hold the SC's when they come in from the leaseholders? Do we then pay contractors directly out of this client account?

Because the agent we were going to use has left us struggling, the three of us who are company directors are going to have to sign direct debits on our own personal bank accounts for things like buildings insurance until we can get a bank account set up.

I have tried to contact some banks to get some advice however they don't seem knowledgable on the kind of account we need, so any advice appreciated. Many thanks :(happy):

Lease variation when freeholder adds a property

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Hello,

Consider a scenario where there are 8 flats in a block and a caretakers' area. The lease states that charges such as buildings insurance should be divided by 8 and each leaseholder charged.

If the freeholder converts the caretakers' area into a new residential property, are they under any obligation to change the existing leases so charges are divided by 9 not 8?


mkll

Lease Extesnion + Rennovations

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Hi,

As a summary, I have had lease extension valuation completed early last year. Property valued at 150K, 75 years remaining, Ground rent 50 pa = rough numbers of between 7-9K.

Based upon those numbers I have asked the land lord whether they would be willing to top the lease up to 99 years instad of the full 90 years extension, for which I offered in the region of 4k. I know they do not have accept this and may just want to go for the full lease extension to gain more money. They have however asked for a more recent valuation to be completed and they believe they have recieved advise that they are in line to recieve a higher premium.

My questions are:

1. Does the lease valuation reflect any rennovations or work that has been completed. The 150K valuation was completed prior to new windows, new soffits and painting of the exterior. My understanding is that work completed is not part of the valuation process?

2. Althought solicitors have been engaged, the negotiation so far has been private between the 2 parties. Please confirm if, even at the end of agreeing the valuation cost, whether I am libale for the freeholders solicitors cost. My understanding is that I am regardless if we have a private agreement or not?

3. If we agree to a valuation cost, is that all that needs to be instructed to the solicitor? I am unsure as to how the paperwork is out together.......ie once they have a figure we have agreed on do they take care of the rest?
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